Cliques: They’re What’s Wrong With the Christian Blogosphere

by Hopeful Spirit on Monday, June 30, 2008

There is a time for every­thing,
and a sea­son for every activ­ity under heaven: …
a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance.

Eccle­si­astes 3:1, 4

Know­ing this, we are aware that there will be times when our hearts hurt and break. Each of us has expe­ri­enced that heart break in one form or another. Think­ing back on your life, what makes your heart break, and why?

There it is. The ele­phant in the room. I have decided that it is finally time to acknowl­edge, name, and dis­cuss it.

One dic­tio­nary defines a “clique” as “an exclu­sive cir­cle of peo­ple with a com­mon pur­pose,” while another describes it this way: “A group of peo­ple who are friendly with each other but exclude oth­ers.” The word in that sen­tence that trou­bles and inspires me to blog is “exclude.” As Chris­tians, we should never exclude other human beings from our pres­ence because they do not believe as we do. To exclude oth­ers is to be decid­edly un-Christlike.

Other blog­gers have invoked dif­fer­ent names to dis­cuss the issue, although not specif­i­cally in ref­er­ence to Chris­t­ian blogs. For instance, Jack of All Blogs wrote about a phe­nom­e­non that occurs when one lone voice stands out from a crowd of blog­gers who all line up on the same side of a par­tic­u­lar issue. He dubbed it the “blog­ging posse,” not­ing that blog­ging often becomes an activ­ity which is “polar­iz­ing and tends to tear com­mu­ni­ties apart. You’re forced to choose a side. Oth­er­wise, it’s ‘if you’re not with us, then you’re against us.’”

Back on Jan­u­ary 29, 2007, Rose observed:

[Blog­ging] has become some pop­u­lar­ity con­test and you are either with them or you’re the kid in school who never got a Valen­tine card when the rest of the class did. You’re the kid that never got invited to birth­day par­ties. You’re the loner try­ing hard to fit in.

I’m not in the in-crowd. Should I care? I’m grow­ing rather tired of try­ing to impress these blog­gers. I am who I am.

Life can be filled with dis­ap­point­ments if we always need to seek the approval of others.

The Inter­net is, in many ways, no dif­fer­ent than and an accu­rate reflec­tion of real life, espe­cially with regard to social com­mu­ni­ties and inter­ac­tions. That’s because the blo­gos­phere is pop­u­lated by real, live human beings who bring to their blog­ging activ­i­ties the same vul­ner­a­bil­i­ties and flaws that char­ac­ter­ize their non-cyber per­son­al­i­ties and relationships.

It is human nature to want to feel a part of some­thing, fit in, be accepted. There is noth­ing inher­ently wrong with feel­ing com­fort­able and val­i­dated when in the com­pany, either in real or cyber life, of folks who look, think, act, and believe as you do.

It becomes a prob­lem, how­ever, when those are the only kind of peo­ple with whom you asso­ciate or wel­come to your site. I believe it rises to the level of a “sin” when you pur­pose­fully and hurt­fully ban or bar other blog­gers from par­tic­i­pat­ing in an event or activ­ity that you pro­mote as being open to all.

I can’t think of any­thing more bor­ing and lim­it­ing than spend­ing all of my time with peo­ple who are just like me because I want to hear, expe­ri­ence and, most impor­tantly, learn some­thing new each and every day. In order to grow, I need to hear dif­fer­ent view­points expressed by peo­ple with diver­gent backgrounds.

Here in cyber­space, I observe Chris­t­ian blog­gers — pri­mar­ily women — vis­it­ing and leav­ing com­ments on each oth­ers’ sites which fre­quently con­sist of lit­tle more than “me, too” or “great post.” When one writer expresses an opin­ion, it is com­mon to see a string of com­ments join­ing in agree­ment, but true debate is, in my expe­ri­ence, a rar­ity. Many of the Chris­t­ian blogs I visit employ com­ment mod­er­a­tion. When I encounter a blog where the host has decided not to allow com­ments to be dis­played until he/she has per­son­ally reviewed and approved them, I always find myself won­der­ing how many dis­sent­ing opin­ions have been oblit­er­ated because the com­menter did not espouse the Scrip­tural inter­pre­ta­tion favored by the host.

The Chris­t­ian “blog­ging posse,” char­ac­ter­ized by a real, but unspo­ken pol­icy of exclu­siv­ity is one of the things that makes my heart break.

There is a par­tic­u­lar meme in which I have par­tic­i­pated pretty reg­u­larly for a sig­nif­i­cant period of time. I even hosted it. When a call went out for hosts, I vol­un­teered to host on a reg­u­lar basis, but received no response from the admin­is­tra­tor. I let some time pass, dur­ing which I con­tin­ued to par­tic­i­pate. I inquired again and still did not receive a response. Finally, I decided to reach out one final time. At long last, I heard from the admin­is­tra­tor, who explained that she had expe­ri­enced email dif­fi­cul­ties. She assured me that she appre­ci­ated my will­ing­ness to host, I would be sched­uled to do so reg­u­larly, and pro­vided me with the upcom­ing dates that had been assigned to me.

How­ever, she also said this:

Now I also want to be clear that I have no prob­lem with you host­ing although I know that a cou­ple of oth­ers do. I actu­ally got quite a bit of resis­tance when you hosted last time but I stood my ground because their rea­sons why I shouldn’t let you host were, in my opin­ion, hyp­o­crit­i­cal and self-righteous and not very Christ-like.

To her credit, she did not reveal who voiced oppo­si­tion to my serv­ing as a host. But she also did not reveal the basis for their oppo­si­tion, which was not help­ful in allow­ing me to come to an under­stand­ing of the thought-processes of the anony­mous protesters.

What was most trou­bling about this devel­op­ment, how­ever, was the fact that none of the peo­ple who protested my par­tic­i­pa­tion voiced their feel­ings directly to me. Instead, I only found out about the behind-the-scenes tug-of-war well after it occurred.

Worse, just a few days later, the admin­is­tra­tor decided to trans­fer own­er­ship of the meme to another blog­ger. When I vis­ited the new online home of the meme, I was dis­ap­pointed — but not sur­prised — to find my name omit­ted from the list of reg­u­lar hosts. Nonethe­less, I con­tacted the new admin­is­tra­tor and advised that the prior admin­is­tra­tor had made a com­mit­ment to me that I would be a reg­u­lar host (which should have been hon­ored by the new admin­is­tra­tor, in my opin­ion), made her aware of dates upon which I was will­ing to serve, etc.

Her response con­sti­tutes what is com­monly known as a “brush off:”

Thank you for your help. At this point I have a good rota­tion group, and did have a pre­vi­ous one before you who said she’d do the [date]. I am try­ing to keep to maybe 6–8 host­esses as it seems more sim­ple to main­tain (as [name of prior admin­is­tra­tor] sug­gested too). I will keep you in mind and let you know.

The meme’s hosts and many of the par­tic­i­pants are, sadly, a clique. A club. “An exclu­sive cir­cle of peo­ple with a com­mon pur­pose.” “A group of peo­ple who are friendly with each other but exclude oth­ers.” To me, they are name­less and face­less, for the most part, because they have opted not to deal with me directly. For rea­sons known only to those who are mem­bers of the exclu­sive club in ques­tion, which they have cho­sen not to share with me, my mem­ber­ship appli­ca­tion has been rejected. They have decided that it is unnec­es­sary for them to com­ply with the Bible verse about which many of them have writ­ten and with which they espouse agreement:

If a fel­low believer hurts you, go and tell him — work it out between the two of you. If he lis­tens, you’ve made a friend. If he won’t lis­ten, take one or two oth­ers along so that the pres­ence of wit­nesses will keep things hon­est, and try again. If he still won’t lis­ten, tell the church. If he won’t lis­ten to the church, you’ll have to start over from scratch, con­front him with the need for repen­tance, and offer again God’s for­giv­ing love.

Matthew 18:15–17
The Message

Rose was right. Like her, “I’m not in the in-crowd.” Like her, I have spent the past cou­ple of weeks ask­ing myself, “Should I care?” I have con­cluded that the sit­u­a­tion is hurt­ful and heart-breaking because I enjoyed par­tic­i­pat­ing in the meme and looked for­ward to host­ing. But I’ll get over it because, also like her, “I am who I am.” I make no apolo­gies for who I am, what I believe, or the prin­ci­ples by which I live my life. And blog. I con­sider this just another life expe­ri­ence which pro­vides me an oppor­tu­nity to learn and grow in my faith.

I wrote recently about the fact that I have been strug­gling with depres­sion. This sit­u­a­tion, can­didly, briefly impeded my progress toward full-fledged, renewed health. How­ever, when I dis­cussed it with my doc­tor, she again reminded me that I should not be sur­prised. In the blo­gos­phere, as in real life, “You are the one who stands up and says what so many other peo­ple won’t say,” she explained. “It is why so many peo­ple find you delight­ful and refresh­ing, while a cer­tain seg­ment of peo­ple despise you, as they do any­one who speaks the truth as they under­stand it. It is your des­tiny, your path. Your job is to decide whether it is worth it to change or if you can embrace and love your­self the way you are, know­ing the con­se­quences.” It is an ongo­ing — life­long, so far, and per­ma­nently, I sus­pect — process.

On the Hori­zon was born out of my frus­tra­tion with the insti­tu­tional church, its patri­ar­chal struc­ture, and oppres­sion of many dif­fer­ent groups of peo­ple, pri­mar­ily women. Although I spent many years as a mem­ber of and par­tic­i­pant in orga­nized reli­gion, I was never in the church’s “in-crowd” nor have I ever expected to be part of or win the pop­u­lar­ity con­test that char­ac­ter­izes the Chris­t­ian blo­gos­phere and, more par­tic­u­larly, the female con­tin­gent of con­ser­v­a­tive Chris­t­ian bloggers.

I wel­come all per­sons to this site. I wel­come all opin­ions. I have never and will never bar or ban any­one from par­tic­i­pat­ing in the dia­logue here no mat­ter what view­point is being espoused so long as it is voiced respect­fully, accord­ing dig­nity to those who have a dif­fer­ent out­look. I invite dis­sen­sion and spir­ited dis­course because it chal­lenges me to think about what I believe, why I believe it, and how best to con­vey my opin­ions and viewpoints.

I find cliques despi­ca­ble and un-Christlike — in real and cyber life — because I have been neg­a­tively impacted by cliques and “group-think” in real life on more occa­sions than I care to remem­ber. That’s why I will never delib­er­ately be part of a clique in either my real or on-line life and found myself com­pelled by the Holy Spirit to write about the topic in order to illu­mi­nate the prob­lem and, hope­fully, inspire oth­ers to acknowl­edge and con­front online cliques when they encounter and are affected by them.


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1 Rose Monday, June 30, 2008 at 11:35 am

Thank you for quot­ing me. I’m sorry that you are going through this. You men­tioned.….….….… “It is why so many peo­ple find you delight­ful and refresh­ing, while a cer­tain seg­ment of peo­ple despise you, as they do any­one who speaks the truth as they under­stand it.”.….….….

When you are pas­sion­ate and stand up for what you believe in there will always be those who despise you.

Now with the abil­ity for peo­ple to hide behind anonymity on the inter­net, it enables them to go to greater lengths no mat­ter how dam­ag­ing it can be to a person.

Cliques exist in the blo­gos­phere just they did in school or they do in the church.

Be proud of you and ignore those who whop want to bring you down. While there are cliques in the blo­go­phere there are also indi­vid­u­als like you who are phenomenal.

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2 David Leonhardt Happiness Monday, June 30, 2008 at 11:47 am

Funny thing about the Inter­net — it’s still the same peo­ple with the same human­ity online as offline. Cliques are part of that. So are a lot of other things. The vir­tual world is the real world.

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3 E. Michael Martin Monday, June 30, 2008 at 12:06 pm

I ceased to be a Chris­t­ian a long time ago. I found that the major­ity of “Chris­tians” are the kind of peo­ple you describe here: catty, igno­rant, and backstabbing.

It’s not just Chris­tians, it’s the world. I just real­ized that peo­ple are peo­ple and not even fol­low­ers of “The Sav­ior” can be exempt from it.

I’m glad to see that some peo­ple, like your­self, are actu­ally good peo­ple that strive to include even those that might be con­sid­ered “sin­ners” in the other Christian’s eyes.

You are Christ-like, they are akin to Pharisees.

4 Science For Kids Monday, June 30, 2008 at 1:00 pm

Cliques are sadly a part of life every­where. Peo­ple tend to stick with what they know since it makes them feel safe and secure. But being brave and step­ping them­selves out of that mold can bring them so much they never knew existed.

5 Michael Monday, June 30, 2008 at 1:44 pm

The vir­tual world is the real world… Cliques are just a part of life but if you are going to call your­self a Chris­t­ian, you should live up to what you are claim­ing you stand for. I totally agree with you.

6 Daniel Jones Monday, June 30, 2008 at 4:01 pm

I really kind decide which side of the fence I fall on re the cyber bul­ly­ing. Part of me wants to laugh because the con­cept is so stu­pid but the other feels com­pas­sion. How about you guys?

Dan

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7 given55 Monday, June 30, 2008 at 4:33 pm

I believe that Chris­t­ian rhetoric is in the same way exclu­sive. Our won lan­guage keeps the rest of the world out and our­selves aloof. Sad.

I, too, have been suf­fer­ing from some depres­sion. Try­ing to work through it. I found myself want­ing to be alone and not with my Chris­t­ian friends. I did not want to hear that I was not closed enough to God or than I must have some sin in my life caus­ing my sit­u­a­tion. Sad!!

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8 aldon @ orient lodge Tuesday, July 1, 2008 at 6:35 am

Wow! What a great blog post. You’ve said a lot of impor­tant things that need to be heard. Let me add me two cents to it.

First, this isn’t just the Chris­t­ian Blo­gos­phere. I am a polit­i­cal activist and find the same thing hap­pens in the polit­i­cal blogosphere.

I always sug­gest that if you want to bring peo­ple to your view point, you need to go out to where oth­ers are. Polit­i­cal blog­gers, and I guess per­haps, Chris­t­ian blog­gers, are a lit­tle too con­cerned with their own cliques than with reach­ing out to oth­ers to have a dis­cus­sion which can help change people’s minds and opinions.

As to depres­sion, I too, have strug­gled at times with depres­sion. In my case, much of it was tied to a spe­cific sit­u­a­tion I ended up in. It took years to clear up, but right now, I’m doing okay. How­ever, dur­ing my dark­est moments, the thing that I hated most were peo­ple who had no under­stand­ing of depres­sion and admon­ished me to sim­ply cheer up. Oh, would that it were so simple.

I’d also note, as oth­ers have, that this doesn’t just hap­pen online. I remem­ber good broth­ers or sis­ters in Christ com­ing up to me and telling me, “The Lord told me to tell you…” Don’t you love it when peo­ple start off their rec­om­men­da­tions that way?

Finally, I came upon a reply that was very help­ful. I would sim­ply say, “Wow, that’s great. Go pray that the Lord will tell me some­thing similar.”

Enough for now. Be well. Peace. My prayers are with you.

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9 Tami Boesiger Tuesday, July 1, 2008 at 7:13 am

I, too, have felt frus­tra­tion with the Chris­t­ian blo­gos­phere, Hope­ful Spirit. I don’t feel like I fit in too well either, but I can’t say I’ve felt excluded. My frus­tra­tion comes with peo­ple say­ing the same things. I’ve often won­dered if they’re being com­pletely hon­est or just say­ing what they think they “should”.

But we need to be care­ful in point­ing fin­gers too. When you accuse the “Chris­t­ian blo­gos­phere” of being clique-y as a whole, you include me, don’t you? Do you con­sider your­self a part of it too? Aren’t blan­ket gen­er­al­iza­tions unfair? I know exactly what you’re talk­ing about and I applaud your courage in bring­ing it up, but doesn’t it only alien­ate you from them more?

Just do your thing, girl. Why barge into the “in crowd” when you’ve got your own thing going on already? I agree you are a refresh­ing pres­ence. I always appre­ci­ate your hon­esty and courage. Because of that, let me swal­low really hard, employ your same hon­esty and courage, and tell you this–I can see why some may shy away from you. In your inclu­siv­ity you accept things they do not believe in, things they do not want to be iden­ti­fied with. I think that is why you are excluded. I know that is why I took you off my blogroll.

That is really had to say and I hope you aren’t offended. I do appre­ci­ate you and your view­points. I don’t always agree, but I often wish you’d pub­lish your own thoughts more often because you always make me think. That is what this blog­ging deal is sup­posed to be about, isn’t it?

I don’t mean to dis­cour­age you, Hope­ful Spirit. You ARE a refresh­ing voice. I’m just try­ing to be real with you. May God give us all wis­dom to know how He has uniquely called us.

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10 Patricia Tuesday, July 1, 2008 at 9:43 am

Your heart­felt, insight­ful post has touched me as it has these other com­menters. My guess is that you have hit the nail on the head for many for­mer “Chris­tians.” I will be vis­it­ing your blog again to see how you are faring.

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Hopeful Spirit 11 Hopeful Spirit Tuesday, July 1, 2008 at 10:50 am

Tami: The prob­lem with writ­ing is that lan­guage is some­what lim­it­ing and it is hard to write sans gen­er­al­iza­tions unless you point fin­gers which I did not want to do. That’s why I did not use the names that are known to me — I’m not inter­ested in bring­ing unwanted atten­tion to any­one nor am I spoil­ing for a fight. So that leaves me with say­ing “blo­gos­phere” as a gen­er­al­ized prin­ci­ple. It is impos­si­ble to be more alien­ated from a per­son or group of per­sons than being locked out of the prover­bial club­house. So I find your ques­tion curi­ous. Fur­ther­more, why would I care, at this point? Until one or more of the peo­ple involved comes for­ward, and com­plies with the Bib­li­cal prin­ci­ple they blog about by con­fronting me directly and air­ing their appar­ent griev­ances with me, there can be no rec­on­cil­i­a­tion. So it’s not like I have any­thing to lose by being hon­est here.Since I adore you and you know that, I am going to be as hon­est with you as you always are with me: Yes, I am dis­ap­pointed to hear that you removed me from your blogroll. Yes, I am offended, frankly, and hurt. And I have to won­der why you did that …

You say that you don’t always agree with me. So did you remove the link to avoid being asso­ci­ated with me because I expressed some­thing you didn’t agree with? If so, why did you deem that action appro­pri­ate and/or nec­es­sary? Was it to be accepted by oth­ers? Was it because you were afraid oth­ers might link the two of us in their minds and assume that you espouse the same view­points I do, thereby sub­ject­ing you to the pos­si­bil­ity of being rejected by those peo­ple? But you protest the idea that you might be part of my gen­er­al­iza­tion. Inter­est­ing conun­drum, isn’t it?Thanks for stop­ping by and leav­ing a thought-provoking com­ment, as always.

12 Tami Boesiger Tuesday, July 1, 2008 at 12:24 pm

Crap. I’ve done it again, hurt some­one I gen­uinely like by being too “honest”.

I wasn’t going to tell you I took you off my blogroll, but thought I shouldn’t give rea­sons for other peo­ple, and have the guts to come out and say it for myself. I took you off not because of any­thing you say in your posts. You know I find you chal­leng­ing and I’m all about encour­ag­ing peo­ple to think. What I objected to were your links to things I didn’t agree with and frankly that would be offen­sive to my read­ers. For instance, the link to the Dan and Jen­nifer (?I can’t remem­ber her name exactly) sex blog. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not against sex (per­son­ally, I hap­pen to love it), but their casual approach to it was some­what shock­ing and some­thing I did not want to sub­ject my read­ers to. You also had a link to a wic­can and I did not want to expose my read­ers to that either. I feel a respon­si­bil­ity to them. You know as well as I do that not all peo­ple think crit­i­cally for them­selves. If one of my read­ers, who trusts my judg­ment, would come over to your site and fall into a wic­can site I would be guilty of caus­ing one of God’s chil­dren to fall. I couldn’t do that. If that is hav­ing dou­ble stan­dards or want­ing to feel accepted, then call me guilty.

I don’t mind be asso­ci­ated with YOU. I enjoy our occa­sional thought­ful dis­cus­sions. I am fas­ci­nated by the way you think and hon­estly, your encour­age­ment of my writ­ing has meant more to me than you’ll ever know, espe­cially so since I know you don’t always agree with me either. My prob­lem was that your links were a lit­tle too much for me.

As I look over your site today, the links I found offen­sive do not appear, so I guess I’m also guilty of not check­ing your site often enough.

Sigh. I am truly sorry for the hurt I’ve caused you. I hope you’ll believe me.

Hopeful Spirit 13 Hopeful Spirit Tuesday, July 1, 2008 at 2:03 pm

Tami:

Don’t give it another thought. I’m already over it. :-) I appre­ci­ate your forth­right response and hon­est explanation.

Once again, we will have to agree to dis­agree, though.

I am not respon­si­ble for any­one else’s choices nor their eter­nal sal­va­tion. Accord­ingly, if I allow a Wic­can to adver­tise on my site — which I have done and will do again, but I do not have any Wic­can links in my blogroll — I am not nec­es­sar­ily endors­ing the con­tent on their site, nor am I respon­si­ble if some­one goes to that site, gets inter­ested in what they are teach­ing and begins prac­tic­ing that faith. On the con­trary, I would rather edu­cate read­ers by allow­ing the adver­tise­ment and the free flow of infor­ma­tion so that vis­i­tors can make up their own minds than try to hide the infor­ma­tion from my vis­i­tors, treat­ing them like small chil­dren inca­pable of ratio­nal thought.

As for Dan and Jen­nifer, I don’t have a prob­lem with the con­tent on their site. Again, peo­ple must make their own deci­sions about sex­u­al­ity and I believe Dan and Jen­nifer pro­vide a ser­vice by offer­ing straight-forward infor­ma­tion. I only removed the link to their site because they dropped out of a group to which I belong. I also removed the links of some other sites that dropped out. My removal of the links has noth­ing to do with my endorse­ment or lack thereof of the con­tent of those par­tic­u­lar sites.

Once again, you have inspired me to write, though. For that, I thank you.

Check back for more posts on the top­ics we have been dis­cussing. :-)

14 Tami Boesiger Tuesday, July 1, 2008 at 9:04 pm

Are we des­tined to always agree to dis­agree, my friend? Thank you for teach­ing me it is pos­si­ble and for your gra­cious spirit. Rest assured, I will keep read­ing. You have my respect.

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15 rainer Wednesday, July 2, 2008 at 10:44 am

:smile: Hello. I like this post, the exam­i­na­tion of a clique. They are always around us and they make me feel bad, when they exclue me.
Well I learnt to see me own val­ues so it doesn’t hurt me, but if some­body pub­lishes in the inter­net, he or she should allow free speech, as long as neti­quette is heeded. :smile:

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16 Kathy@brazoscowgirl Wednesday, July 2, 2008 at 4:28 pm

I agree with your post. What most peo­ple like me see is that if I don’t parade my faith I am not wor­thy. I am a born again Chris­t­ian, have been for years. I know first hand the preach­ing and exclu­sion is what turns off most non-believers. I have gone to blogs who because I don’t have scrip­ture on mine think I am unwor­thy. Sad really when you think how cold that pedestal they sit on.

17 Rachelle Mee-Chapman Thursday, July 3, 2008 at 7:35 am

Hi! I found this post via BlogHer and read it and the com­ments with interest.

I recently decided to mod­er­ate the com­ments on my site, because peo­ple were shar­ing very ten­der, raw sto­ries and I didn’t wanted to pro­tect that story telling space from overly stri­dent voices. That being said, I haven’t had to exclude any com­ments (except one which was a mutual agree­ment). I’m really proud of my read­ers for cre­at­ing a safe place!

I often won­der if part of the prob­lem amongst Chris­tians is that our lan­gauge is often one of debate rather than dia­logue. Our first response is to defend, and too often it shuts down a more fruit­ful kind of inter­ac­ton. Sev­eral years after leav­ing the insti­tu­tional church, I’m still try­ing to turn down my inner-critic and turn-up my active lis­tener. It takes a long time to soften the deba­tive edge!

Does any­one else have any thoughts on the idea of debate, dia­logue and how those two appraoches effect con­ver­sa­tions? I’d be inter­ested in hear­ing your thoughts…

Rachelle Mee-Chapmans last blog post..A Pos­si­bly Offen­sive Post About Rats

18 Sandra aka bloglady Thursday, July 3, 2008 at 6:43 pm

So nice to find another inde­pen­dent Chris­t­ian thinker. I haven’t been hurt in this way, but it’s because I don’t actu­ally par­tic­i­pate or inter­act with other blog­gers for the very rea­sons you state. I already know my views go against the grain of tra­di­tional Chris­tians by inter­act­ing with my fam­ily. We must keep plug­ging away, or blog­ging away, hop­ing to get through to those who believe what their par­ents told them or what their pas­tor taught them. There is so much more! God bless!

San­dra aka blogladys last blog post..A Bright Future

19 Brodit Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 1:41 am

Yes very often we come across to those blogs who approve the com­ments only if the com­men­tor belongs to their net­work. This is indeed bias and a sin in a stricter sense. Every human being does get hurts some day or other day indeed! Most peo­ple for this par­tic­u­lar rea­son don’t par­tic­i­pate or inter­act with other bloggers.Thanks a lot for putting for­ward this reality.

20 plugged info Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 6:49 am

Thanks for the post. There is a lot to learn here espe­cially about exclu­sion and the Chris­t­ian atti­tude. I enjoyed the read.

21 SandyCarlson Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 5:29 am

We say we love the Lord who hung out with the pros­ti­tutes and lep­ers and tax men, yet we are intol­er­ant of the slight­est devi­a­tion in opin­ion. Jesus taught us com­pas­sion and hos­pi­tal­ity always and every­where, even on the cross. Those who prac­tice elit­ism and call it Chris­tian­ity are quite mistaken–but beloved and always wel­come on my blog!

I have won­dered why so many Chris­tians use com­ment mod­er­a­tion. It seems to me to be strange and dis­hon­est. I have used it once and only briefly because a mean and neg­a­tive per­son was poi­son­ing the well. When he mended his ways, I opened the forum back up.

Jesus was and is so much big­ger than the cor­po­rate PR guy so many Chris­tians reduce him to. I applaud your courage and open­ness. You are indeed a hope­ful spirit!

Sandy­Carl­sons last blog post..One Sin­gle Impres­sion: Through a Window

22 NeoBluePanther Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 9:39 am

Stop­ping by t o wish you a very happy BYB Sun­day and an even greater week ahead.

NeoBluePan­thers last blog post..BYBS : Good Health

23 Jaz Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 5:56 pm

The first thing I noticed is that I like what you have to say. I am so tired of those Chris­tians who are pew sit­ters who dress to the nines on Sun­day but do not live their faith through the week. These are those who go into cliques and call “gath­er­ing together in the name of the Lord.” No it isn’t. It’s really just called that clique.

Now, I admit that I am just as bad as some oth­ers about liv­ing my faith. BUT I at least am hon­est about it. My blog shows my fail­ings because I am human and seek­ing just like every­one else. And I am not now nor have I ever been one of the pop­u­lar kids. At this point in time, who cares. I love my Lord and I say so. That’s me. And if it’s con­tro­ver­sial, oh well.

The one thing that could mar that image is some­thing you said about mod­er­at­ing my blog com­ments. I was doing that because there was a per­son who was putting in curse words and call­ing peo­ple nasty names. It was not to block out con­tro­ver­sial peo­ple. I love con­tro­ver­sial peo­ple since they ask more ques­tions than the so-called “main line” Chris­tians. The trou­ble with those Chris­tians is that they often do not believe any­one else can teach them any­thing. Know what I mean? I bet you do.

I’ll get down from my soap­box now and go back to the lit­tle cor­ner of the world that I manage…my blog. LOL! Thanks for giv­ing me a chance to say what I had to say. Also, thanks for the “sub­scribe to com­ments”. Some­times that’s the only way I can get back to a blog I com­mented on.

24 Tilly Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 10:07 pm

Howdy from Texas. (I’m an import from other states). I, too, know what it is like to not be one of the ‘pop­u­lar’ ones. Now, I fig­ure that it’s OK as long as no one runs away screaming.I’ve prob­a­bly come close some­times. I have a blog and do mod­er­ate the com­ments. As long as no one is abu­sive or spam­ming my site they are allowed to speak their piece. I love The Lord, and have known Him since 1975. I’ve messed up at times; but know He for­gives. Too bad that peo­ple some­times hold grudges. That’s why we have to work every day to get closer to Him. I’ve tried to avoid cliques (hav­ing been avoided myself), hope­fully I’ve suc­ceeded. You are right in that Jesus went out amongst the unsaved or as the Phar­isees called them — the sin­ners — as if THEY were per­fect. Jesus did say that the sick were the ones in need of a physi­cian, though, didn’t He? How can we as Chris­tians pass on the heal­ing that we received if we do not share the ‘med­i­cine’ with those who need it? Other than shar­ing the love that God has shared with His Son our othr con­cern should only be that we con­tinue to heal within our selves, too. Our heal­ing is an every­day thing until He takes us home. All I can say is to keep shar­ing, lov­ing, feel­ing com­pas­sion, and understanding.

25 photographer Wednesday, July 9, 2008 at 9:53 pm

I am not now nor have I ever been one of the pop­u­lar kids. At this point in time, who cares. I love my Lord and I say so. That’s me. And if it’s controversial.

26 Jaz Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 11:05 am

Excuse me, but the pre­vi­ous com­menter sim­ply copied some­thing I said I sus­pect to get a link on here. Just wanted you to know that.

27 Viola Jaynes Sunday, July 13, 2008 at 11:22 pm

Oh, Hope­ful Spirit, some­how I could feel that you have been in pain. I am sorry for that. All of my life I have been affected by group think­ing and cliques. I never have been able to jump on the bandwagon…and hon­estly, it is just fine with me. Life gets a bit lonely some­times but I am bored with group think even more.
I have com­ment mod­er­a­tion because the fel­low who hosts my site set it up that way to avoid spam. I’ve just never asked him to change that.

I appre­ci­ate your site and I appre­ci­ate your hon­est, heart search­ing and sin­cere out­look on things. All of us know so lit­tle and it is in our search­ing that we are able to find truth. To broaden our­selves a lit­tle and leave so much of the pet­ti­ness behind would give us a greater oppor­tu­nity for com­pas­sion and accep­tance for all of life and all liv­ing beings. Chin up, my friend. You are in my heart!

Viola Jay­ness last blog post..Born Free

28 child internet habits Thursday, July 17, 2008 at 2:41 am

Big post.Takes a lot of time to read.Thanks for the cool one.

29 Ip Hider Thursday, July 17, 2008 at 2:45 am

The post is look­ing cool but what you want to say the moral is not clear.

30 Justin Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 10:37 pm

Great post. I am a Mor­mon, and we are often crit­i­cized for the same thing. Christ taught that we were to love the per­son, and not the sin. We all have sins, and that shouldn’t be cause to exclude some­one from com­ing into the fold. Weren’t we told to “let our light so shine?” I appre­ci­ate this post, and hope we all take it to heart. Only God knows what some­one is expe­ri­enc­ing, and how dif­fi­cult it can be for some­one.
Nite.
Justin

Justins last blog post..Gram­mar Tips: Basic Sen­tence Structure

31 Violin Monday, July 21, 2008 at 3:01 am

David Leon­hardt, I am agreed with your because this vir­tual world is another face of our real life. We can express, we express every­thing hid­den in our inner self. A blog can rep­re­sents its owner or blog­ger. My blog has very delighted posts when I am happy, it has very sad posts otherwise.

Vio­lins last blog post..Jagjit Singh’s Hoton Se Choo Lo Tum

32 Hostmonster Review Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:39 am

nice post.….lot to learn on chris­t­ian thoughts.…

33 Tones Tuesday, July 22, 2008 at 8:59 pm

Hon­estly i don’t care what race, reli­gion or oth­er­wise peo­ple are i just love read­ing cool and inter­est­ing sto­ries by inter­est­ing peo­ple. I absorb the infor­ma­tion and sto­ries regard­less. I espe­cially like “ram­blings” about the blog­gers day, even if it’s just nor­mal every­day things.. It just seems to add nor­mal­ity to my life also.

Keep up the good work, Tony.

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